Join us for a special episode of Laying the Foundation as we sit down with our 2025 Summer Interns for our annual Intern Roundtable. In this candid discussion, our interns share their unique perspectives on the summer experience, from the interesting projects they contributed to and the new skills they developed, to their insights on CMBA's company culture and the mentorship they received. This episode offers a valuable glimpse into the future of architecture and is a must-listen for anyone interested in the experiences of the next generation of design professionals.
(Skyler): Welcome everybody to another episode of the Laying the Foundation podcast. My name is Skyler, and today I get the extra special fun opportunity to talk to the 2025 summer interns that we had this year. I'm very excited to talk to them about their experiences with CMBA, what they did in their internship, and what an internship at an architecture firm looks like. Because I come from the marketing field. I know what a marketing internship might look like, but I don't know much about what the architecture side looks like or design. So with that being said, I'll have everybody introduce themselves. We'll start on my left here.
(Kamryn): Alright, I am Kamryn. I am a third-year student at Iowa State.
(Layne): Hi, I'm Layne, and I'm going into my fifth year at Iowa State.
(Emily): Hi, I'm Emily, and I'm going into my fourth year at South Dakota State.
(Jaquiline): Hi, I'm Jackie, and we're going to Spencer office. I'm going into my fourth year at Iowa State.
(Levi): Hi, I'm Levi, and I'm going into my fourth year at South Dakota State.
(Skyler): Awesome, awesome. We’ve got a nice variety within our region, the different schools, and students coming in from different years. Awesome, awesome. Well, I’m excited to have you guys all here. We're at the Des Moines office today. An early morning get-up, I'm sure, for most of us, and coming over here to have all kinds of fun for the Town Hall. So with that being said, what did we do? What happened this year? What was going on during the summer? I was over in the corner in the Sioux City office in the marketing department. So I was a little bit away. I saw you guys, some of you, especially Emily, throughout the summer, but I don't know entirely what you guys worked on. So, as far as a project goes, did you guys all have one big project you worked on, or did you work on a couple of different projects? What kind of went on there?
(Levi): I guess I can go first. So yeah, we did have one big project that we got to all kinds of collaborate on and work on. So that was a lot of fun to be able to talk to some of the other interns and work with them throughout the summer. We also kind of had our own different projects at our different firms. Our firm, which was the Spencer office, got to work on some really, really fun ones, working with some clients. So we were working on a new home development for a couple, so kind of designing their retirement home for them. So kind of working with the client, figuring out likes and dislikes and things that they want for their home. And then yeah, did some other pre-bond stuff, a lot of renderings and stuff like that. So yeah, it was a really great summer overall.
(Skyler): Yeah, very cool, very cool. Putting together the early process of the design and everything like that with the house. That's awesome. And then I think one of you had mentioned, maybe it was Jacquiline, about bonds and like learning what that even means.
(Jacquiline): Yeah, we spent a lot of time kind of going over funding for projects and public projects that are going out to bid and kind of how you interact with those clients, kind of giving everyone a fair chance to put in their proposal and picking the best winner, mainly the cheapest option, because budget is a big thing in the real world, which we don't get to learn about in school. So that was definitely a big learning curve at the beginning of the summer, is learning how these projects are funded, you know, property taxes, which I don't own anything, so that was definitely something I'm not used to. So kind of trying to be yourself in other people's shoes, and is this something that's really worth, you know, increasing their property taxes to pay for, for, you know, 30 years.
(Skyler): Yeah, absolutely. Well, if it makes you feel better too, I've been here for about three to four years now, and I pretty recently only learned about what bonds mean. This last year, they had me on several different projects to kind of help put together content to push the bond. So it's interesting. It's interesting. It's a whole different side of like normally you work with a client and then they're like, here's our budget for this. Whereas with the bond stuff, it's kind of more like this little bit debatable, and things are going to change a lot and stuff like that.
(Jacquiline): So, yeah, it's kind of guessing on, am I able to make this on the right budget? Because, you know, you just come up with an idea, you have no idea how much it's going to cost. And so it was definitely interesting trying to scale a project from the very early stages.
(Skyler): Yeah, because you want them to vote on it. You want them to vote yes. And so, yeah, you've got to make sure that it's within those parameters, but you also want to add a lot to it because you're like, we want this project to pop. We want it to be great. So awesome. All right. What else? What kind of projects were going on?
(Emily): At the Sioux City office, there were some larger-scale projects like the first school, a new elementary school, and a kind of unique one. They were actually consolidating five into one rather than, you know, going larger. And there was a lot of talk about how they wanted the school to be adaptable and whatnot. So there was a lot to kind of think about when in those early design phases and then being involved with those was really neat to see, you know, how you prepare those in a way that a client can understand them, you know, not having them being from, you know, an architectural background and things like that. There are also some smaller things that we worked on, like little existing buildings, you know, for a code review, seeing what was meeting regulations and what was not. And yeah, how do you go forward from there? And yeah.
(Skyler): I'm glad that you mentioned the part about, you know, working with the clients, and obviously they're coming from, you know, if it's a school, they're part of the school board or the administrator or superintendent. They don't speak architecture. They don't speak design or even students. I mean, you guys are, that's what you're learning and that's what you're going through and that's the process as you're seeing. So it's yeah, it's very unique to be able to kind of get behind the client and say, how do I interpret this to you guys? How do I say this in words that you'll understand or concepts that you'll understand? And I mean, that's why it's a very visual field too, because people, people can grasp things a lot more visually, which is super great. So what about you guys?
(Layne): Yeah, so in the Cedar Falls office, we got the opportunity to work on a lot of projects for Waterloo Habitat for Humanity. So this was a preexisting client that our firm already had. So we had to, we got to see some of the later stages of putting together those plans to send them for review, and then getting that review back and implementing feedback. We also got to work on some of our early schematic plans for larger-scale projects. So this was early conversations with clients, spatially, how would you like your building on the site? How would you like parking and movement to move through this and different things like that?
(Skyler): Absolutely. Very cool. Very cool. So again, kind of getting to see that sort of early stages of design, but this was a client that you got, or the Cedar Falls office had been working with for a while now. So it's exciting to be able to sort of upkeep that awesome relationship that CMBA, well, I guess now CMBA has in getting me. And actually, with that being said, you guys had a very kind of unique experience when it came to, well, the Cedar Falls office now becoming part of CMBA. And if I remember correctly, that wasn't established until you kind of showed up, right?
(Layne): No, we did not find out that we were working for CMBA until May.
(Skyler): Wow. Okay. What a surprise, right?
(Layne): Absolutely.
(Skyler): That's kind of fun. Kirsten was just talking to me about that the other day, that you guys had already gotten the signed on and everything before you guys found out that, "Hey, guess what, we're being acquired by another firm and becoming part of that." So yeah, well, and of course we loved having you guys, of course. That goes for everybody, mind you. Awesome. So we talked about some of the projects, obviously working with clients, kind of gathering those skills, right? Emily, you mentioned, you know, trying to find a way to interpret things. You guys had mentioned from the Spencer office, working with clients in those early stages. Cedar Falls, as you guys talked about, is maintaining relationships and things along those lines. Are there any other skills that were something that you picked up along the way or that you got to work on? Maybe something that you've done in school before, but you wanted to really focus on any goals, maybe you could say that you feel like you were able to fulfill while you guys were at CMBA?
(Levi): Yeah, I think one thing that I wanted to get out of the internship and I did a lot was just kind of seeing more of the construction side of things and the details and, you know, how these building sections are actually going together and kind of looking at just looking through a lot of those documents and starting to get a good grasp of how these buildings are going together in real life and not just, you know, theoretical spaces like that. So I think that was good. And then actually going to those job sites, walking around these buildings and being able to, you know, see them come together, not just on the plans, but, you know, in real life, and being able to do that. So I think that was a really good opportunity.
(Skyler): Yeah, absolutely.
(Jacquiline): I would definitely say that time management is definitely a lot different than in school. Whereas in school, you have a deadline. So, however much time you spend on it is up to you. Whereas at work, you have a set amount of hours you're allowed to put into a project, and you have to make your time worth it and make sure it's effective because these are real people who are paying for it. So you don't want to waste their time. And so, you know, something you may have a week to do, you only have eight hours to get done, and you kind of have to break it up and kind of learning that aspect of that as well.
(Skyler): Yeah, absolutely. So the time management is a little bit different than in the classroom, and yeah, it's tricky. And, you know, like you said, theoretical is I think, most of the students will mention that every time we have the internship. They're like, school is really theoretical. They say, you know, design within certain parameters, but a lot of it's very like coming up with something cool. And it's tricky in the real world when you have to... when there are so many more parameters and things that I have to work on constraints and so on and so forth. So anything else that you guys feel like kind of popped up that you were able to work on?
(Emily): I would say for that school project, for example, asking very carefully constructed questions, looking for a specific answer, because you want a direction as to where they want to go for this. Like for example, like when we were going over the program sheet, they wanted X amount of square feet for their special education department, but they didn't really break that down. So it's asking what they see these spaces looking like? What do they truly mean in these spaces, and understanding how they're going to function so you can appropriately put them in the building and like understanding, oh, that's how it's going to be used, not like just assuming, oh, you know, and then putting it in the wrong spot and then having that.
(Skyler): And that's the last thing you want.
(Emily): Yeah, exactly.
(Skyler): Yeah, it kind of goes back to that idea of like being able to translate things over and like I need just in the same way that we as architects, well, I say we you guys as architects have like a certain lingo and jargon that you guys use in terms and things along those lines and being able to interpret that to the to the client. The clients got this vision in their mind, and they've got a picture of how they want things laid out, and they've got to find a way to interpret that to us. And so yeah, like you said, we use very specific questions, try to direct them in a certain way to get that vision so that we can all share that vision, and we can design it the way they want. So yeah, no, that's a great point. That's a great point. Any other stuff, any other anything specific, anything you get to really dive into that you felt was something that you'll take back to school.
(Layne): I would say we learned a lot about software this summer and how to properly use something, and learning why something is the way it is and how to use it accordingly is something that will definitely take back to school.
(Skyler): Absolutely. Yeah. And I mean, there's you guys have a few different software programs that you guys tend to work from, right?
(Layne): I feel like I did a whole 180 with Revit. At the start of the summer, I definitely felt like I knew some form of stuff, but now I have definitely expanded my knowledge and skills in it. So that's really exciting and really helpful.
(Skyler): Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. I mean, I had a friend of mine, and when I was in college, he said, "When it comes down to it, you can come up with concepts and everything like that, but learn the software, because that's what you're going to be working in most of the time." So, no, that's awesome. That's awesome. Yeah, definitely those are the software, the tools, obviously, you need to succeed in order to do design. So very cool. What about when we look at culture? Now, you can be honest because I know I'm like leading Emily, you can be honest. Give me an honest review. I do the stuff for the culture club over in the Sioux City office. We've got a culture club representative from each of the offices to be fair. Culture extends outside of that, right? We're talking everything from company policy all the way to the fun, goofy stuff that we do, all the way to the Des Moines office went to a baseball game or the Sioux City office. We just went to the Boat House, and we had a whole bunch of games and stuff there. All those kinds of like the outings and everything like that. What stuck out to you guys? What was really fun or what did you like, or even dislike, as far as culture goes?
(Jacquiline): This for me was my first internship, so I'm kind of coming from no experience other than school. The culture is definitely a lot different. It's a lot less competitive and nicer to each other. We like to share. Yeah, so that's definitely different from the workload. It's very helpful when you have a time crunch, you're just like, "Hey, can you hop on for an hour and help me?" And people are just like, "Yeah, they love to help. They love to just like give, you know, a helping ear and listen to what you're working on." Everyone's just, you know, very supportive. And then, you know, doing those activities is very fun because you get to kind of, you know, get to know the people in your office in a different light rather than through work. I will say the Spencer office is a little bit smaller, so those culture club events are sometimes going to be a little bit of a challenge just because there are fewer people. But it kind of makes you tighter, and I think you get to know people a little bit better. So there are pros and cons to it, but I would say more pros than cons. It was really good.
(Skyler): You know, coming from the Sioux City office, where I know we have more, I think we have the most of all the other offices, I definitely see that every time I go to one of the other offices, like Grand Island and Spencer for sure. It's a very tight-knit group and you can definitely feel that as very like, kind of feels a lot more family oriented for sure. And I’m sure Cedar Falls is as well.
(Jacquiline): We'll just holler across the office. Like, "Hey Adam, I just sent you something. Can you look at it?" So it is nice in that aspect where you don't have to get up to talk to somebody. You could just like holler, and they’ll pop their head up there like, "What?"
(Skyler): Yes, and you don't have to worry as much about like, "Did they get my email? Did they get my message?" Like, "I can go over there and make sure…"
(Jacquiline): I’ll walk over there in five seconds after I sent them something. Is that a little weird?
(Skyler): No, yeah. I mean, hey, as long as you make sure. Because you know, some people, some people just like to ignore everybody's emails.
(Jacquiline): I don't know how they would ignore me when I'm standing right here staring at you.
(Skyler): Yeah, absolutely. So what about the Cedar Falls? Because I haven't even gotten to be there yet, but I'm planning on that here soon.
(Layne): Yeah, including me and Kamryn, there are seven people. So it's normally only five, and one of those is a new hire this summer as well. So before, there were only four people. So it's a really small firm, but everyone knows each other very well. I think the Culture Club gives a unique opportunity to interact with people who are busier all the time. We have a couple of people in our office who we don't get to see very often because they run a lot of the meetings and are constantly overwhelmed with things to do. So a lot of the community that we feel as interns in the office is with the other people who are always there, right? So it's like, there are three people other than us that are always there, and we're always kind of yapping. And then we get the Culture Club events in these more structured times to make sure that the more manager-based people can set time aside to, like, really get to know everyone else in the firm. And I think that that can be really helpful.
(Skyler): That's awesome. Yeah, absolutely. What about from, because you mentioned being able to kind of go to anybody for help, and sort of that team aspect. Do you guys feel like, what about as far as like mentor, mentee type stuff? Do you feel like you had people that you could go to at any point and they'd really help walk you through things? If you have a funny story about somebody in particular, go for it.
(Levi): I feel like everybody just was always super helpful no matter what. I mean, if we asked one person, like four people would, you know, offer to give out their help. Adam was always great. He was kind of along for the ride with us the whole time. Always getting, always giving us tips, always, you know, making fun of us if he sees us, you know, not knowing how to do shortcuts on Revit and stuff like that. So that was, but I mean, those kinds of fun things help you learn and grow a little bit more and make it, you know, more of a fun atmosphere. But yeah.
(Jacquiline): One person asks the question, and then you just hear four chairs go. That's just like all scurry over to your desk to help you like that. And then you just have people who are just like watching. And so it's kind of funny with that part.
(Skyler): That's awesome. Well, good. I'm glad. I'm glad people were willing to jump out of their seats or at least bring their seats with them. It is a lot more fun to just roll the seats over. Yeah, because I know, I know I've heard some instances where some architecture interns have talked about, like kind of either being sort of just thrown in and then they're kind of on their own to kind of figure things out, or, you know, maybe even the workload. And actually, that's a good follow-up question is how did it feel as far as the workload goes? Because I've heard of some that like they do paperwork the whole time, or they will update some of the old designs into digital. And that's pretty much their entire internship. Did you guys feel like you had a pretty good ratio of the more monotonous stuff that anybody could do versus the stuff that you feel like you got to be involved with, something that was actually happening?
(Levi): I think we've got to be involved in even more stuff than I thought we would on going into it. I think, you know, I was, you know, going into it not knowing if we'd really get in on a lot of that schematic design and, you know, the first part of things and coming up with, you know, what does this building want to be like and look like. But, you know, throughout the summer we got on these different projects that were really a lot of them were in the early stages. So it's like we got to, you know, play around with some design concepts and actually, you know, do some of the fun, the fun parts, which was great. So yeah, I think we definitely got to do a lot more of those fun areas that I thought we might not be doing as much going into it. So yeah, it was really good overall with that.
(Skyler): Awesome. And the real projects, too, which are exciting. So like three, maybe not even three years from now. I don't know why I looked at my watch when I said, "years." Like maybe a year from now, you know, that it had a structure that design might actually be done.
(Levi): It’s cool to think about.
(Skyler): Yeah, absolutely! So what are everybody's plans after graduation? That's a scary question, right? Because we're getting some of you guys are getting pretty close.
(Emily): Well, I mean, after I finished my fourth year, I'll get my bachelor’s, and I'll have to go back to get my master's. So I mean, that's what I'll be doing for the next foreseeable three years. I don't know. I'm looking to do another internship, maybe somewhere else. I'm not completely sure yet. But like maybe thinking maybe something a little smaller or maybe even something larger. Just to kind of get my feet wet a little bit more than what they already are.
(Skyler): Always good to kind of try things out, see where things kind of fit in. Absolutely. Yeah, some people prefer the kind of smaller company feel some people for a really big company feel, and it is very it's drastically different. But yeah, there's absolutely like always got to try things out and see how it feels and then find what's right for you. So what about everybody else? Anyone else got any plans?
(Jacquiline): I definitely have enjoyed my time here at CMBA, so I would be happy to come back. But you know, always leaving the option open if there's an opportunity that arises to try it out. And Adam did a great job of making me feel comfortable enough to try out other companies and not feel like I, you know, kind of put a stake in his heart a little bit with leaving. So, you know, I think they definitely will keep an eye open, but this is always like a good safety, and I feel very comfortable here. I'm okay being the dumb one in the room here because they're just so happy to help and answer my questions.
(Skyler): It's just new. It's just a little bit less in field experience, but that's okay. That's, you know, everybody's got to start somewhere. So very cool. Awesome.
(Levi): No, yeah, I think I've just I've loved my time here at CMBA. It's kind of really something, the type of firm atmosphere that I've always kind of been looking for. I'm not sure, maybe in the future if I would like to start my own thing. And if I once I really get the hang of architecture, but that could be a long way off. Who knows what the future has, but no, I've had a great time here so far. So if I could come back, that would be awesome. Definitely.
(Skyler): Right on. Awesome.
(Kamryn): This internship definitely has me weighing my options. I thought about graduating a semester early. So that might mean a summer studio next summer, which might not leave room for an internship, but I love this one so much. It kind of makes me want to do another one.
(Skyler): Right on.
(Kamryn): Kind of got me weighing my outfit.
(Skyler): Yeah, some tricky decisions for sure.
(Layne): I'm out of internship time. I, unlike everyone else, I'm graduating at the end of the school year.
(Skyler): Oh, exciting.
(Layne): Very scary stuff. I really have enjoyed CMBA. I'm planning on relocating to the Kansas City area, where, sadly, there are no CMBA firms.
(Skyler): I know, I know.
(Layne): But it's given me the unique opportunity to experience a small firm like Levi, where I was hired, but also to see how it connects with larger firms like CMBA and how we can kind of have those two worlds. So it's I've gotten so much experience from just one internship because of…
(Skyler): That is a really unique point. Being able to see two different entire perspectives within one single internship. It's kind of crazy to think about. So yeah, we need to move into Kansas City. We need a Kansas City office.
(Layne): Hit me up!
(Skyler): Yes, absolutely. We will. Awesome. Let's jump into the last couple of questions here for students that are out there right now, for design students that are like, I'm thinking about architecture. What should they be thinking about? What should they be considering as their… we're talking first year, second years, maybe even high school students who are thinking about architecture as a career. Is there anything that you guys would recommend to them or suggest?
(Jacquiline): It definitely isn't what you think it is. When you first start, you think it's just pretty pictures. It's a lot more than that. You have to understand how people think, how they act, how bodies interact with spaces, and it can get very theoretical, very quickly. And so there are different paths you can take. But if you have an architecture degree, there are a lot of opportunities you can have that kind of open that door for you. But, you know, I would just be curious and ask questions about it and reach out to people. You can literally call an office, you know, if you know a firm, they just call them like, and they will talk to you. We love to just not stop talking, like they love to talk all the time. So and they're always wanting to share and recruit, you know, they just want more people.
(Skyler): That's true. That's true.
(Jacquiline): Yeah.
(Skyler): If you start talking to us, we're going to be like, "Hey, do you want to come down and do a job shadow? You can see an architect at work."
(Jacquiline): It's definitely not as intimidating as you think it is. You just have to, you know, be willing to learn, and it is a lot of learning, and it can be stressful with school, but it's worth it. I think.
(Skyler): Right on. Awesome.
(Layne): I would say beyond that, no one type of person is an architect, and no one type of role is an architect. And in that, I mean more so with the degree than the title of architect. With your degree, you can do lots of different things. And I think it's important to remember that you don't have to be the outgoing, super enthusiastic people that you're hearing talk to you a lot, in that you're seen in the role of architect. There can also be people who don't want to interact as much with clients and want to be more underground. You can just be more drafting. You can be more in the work room, but not in the public face, and just remember that that shyness will not stop you from designing. You know, it's just a different experience, and on top of that, you can just draw pretty pictures. That was my favorite fact. I was like, wow, this is the dream because even though I'm not doing stuff exciting, I guess sit at a desk and draw pretty pictures. Yes, they're floor plans, but they're pretty.
(Skyler): We'll work it into something more technical later. We can start from a nice like the way I want it. Yeah, absolutely. And I'm glad that you mentioned that. Yeah, there are there are so many different like sort of positions within an architecture firm. It's not all, you know, going and presenting to the clients. You know, we've got people like Courtney who have an amazing, you know, outgoing personality. They go in there; they steal the room, and they're able to give this amazing presentation to these clients. And then you've got people on the other hand who are behind the scenes, but no less important by any means, who are working on those designs and drafting and filling out all the paperwork, and I don't know all the other stuff that goes into what you guys do. A lot of other stuff, you know, so yeah, absolutely. I'm glad that you mentioned that. I think that's really important to know too. So there are different directions that you can go within architecture. It's not all just one straight line. Any advice for students out there who are going through or anything like that?
(Emily): I would say just finding how it's important to you. And I think that changes from person to person based on, you know, personal experiences growing up, you know, I mean, like for me personally, I have a special needs brother. So spaces, I see things a little bit differently, and the importance of, you know, certain things, I guess, you see differently. And I don't know that for me kind of has made it important for me to include everybody. I don't know if that makes any sense.
(Skyler): Yeah, no, it does. It does.
(Emily): Just like finding a purpose, I guess, as to why you want to do something. It may not, every project may not go for those people, but that one project, you might get to do a couple of those, but that'll be special, and you'll know how to do it really well.
(Skyler): Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, we look at what CMBA does, right? We specialize in K-12, Higher Ed, and Health Care. We've been doing a lot of Municipal stuff. And then there are some other things in there, too. And yeah, we have people that will sort of lean into those, right? Like Lee, who I'm looking at right now, he likes to do a lot of the K-12 stuff. That's kind of one of his passion areas. You've got Brent and Courtney, who do a lot with higher ed. And I apologize for anyone from CBA who's listening to this. They're like, "Why didn't you mention me?" I know you had Jim over here who does a lot with like health care stuff, you know. So you have people that specialize in these areas because they're really passionate about it. So yeah, I'm glad that you mentioned that. Find that passion and let that kind of flow through you in your endeavors. So any other advice?
(Levi): I’ve got one more. I just think that if you are, you're thinking about architecture, definitely go try to do something along the lines of construction. Just trying to, if you do some of that first, you can just figure out how that building goes together a lot more. And it helps you design in a lot of different ways. But yeah, if you're thinking about it, go do some type of construction. Doesn't matter what it is. You work with your hands and learn that side of it. But yeah.
(Skyler): Absolutely! You get to see it from the other side. See it from, you know, once I'm done with the design, I've got to hand it off to the construction team. See it from their perspective because they got to build it. So yeah, and knowing that'll help you so much, knowing how everything pieces together and fits and so on and so forth. Exactly. Awesome. Anything else?
(Jacquiline): I would say ask questions. Always ask questions, always be curious, because you'll always get a different perspective from everyone you talk to. And like I said, we love to help. That's, I think, a big reason why a lot of us got in years, we want to make things better, we want to fix problems. So yeah, just always ask questions.
(Skyler): Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. And hopefully, you'll get four people who'll roll their chairs over and help you out. Well, thank you all so much for not only sitting down and doing the podcast with me, which I really appreciate. It makes my job a whole lot easier when everybody talks. So that's great. But also thank you guys so much for taking the offer to come over here to CMBA and hang out with us for a whole summer and see what we do. And I said this before the other day, but we learn just as much from you guys as you guys learn from us. We get to see, you know, sort of how people are thinking in that more theoretical and that helps break us out of the boxes that we tend to build for ourselves to design within. So, I really appreciate you all being here. Really appreciate you all taking the time to come hang out with us and talk with me. So yeah. I hope you guys have an awesome next semester, next year back in school, unless you're graduating, in which case I hope it's whatever it is that you apply for or look for or whatever the case afterwards that all works out. And thank you guys so much. We'll see you guys next time. Thank you.
(Interns): Thank you.