In this episode of Laying the Foundation, we sit down with Lee Buekelman, a Principal Architect at CMBA Architects, and Jackie Mahler, EVP Chief Financial & Chief Operations Officer of Availa Bank, to discuss the intricacies of modern bank design. From security and accessibility to customer experience and operational efficiency, we delve into the key considerations that go into creating a successful banking facility.
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Skyler: Welcome to another episode of laying the foundation. Welcome everybody to another episode of the laying the foundation podcast. Once again, I'm your host Skylar and joining me today is well, first, probably it's better to introduce the topic. We're going to be talking about, uh, designing a bank, a modern day bank.
Skyler: Um, not kind of the banks of old, um, not the banks of the old west with a giant vault, uh, but today's banks, modern banks that are secure, more secure and safer and, and just generally better. And today joining me for that, I have some phenomenal guests with me from the Avela bank. And that is, uh, Jackie Mayler.
Skyler: I got it. Okay. I mean, it took a second, but I got it. All right. Jackie Mayler, who is the chief financial and chief operating officer for availa bank. And additionally, we have Jason Rasmus. He is the market president of the Sioux city branch, which is where we're recording from. I mean, we're not recording from.
Skyler: Their, their branch, but the Sioux city branch of CMBA, he is the president of the Sioux city branch of Avela. So, um, welcome to the show. Yeah, absolutely. Super glad to have you guys here to share your expertise. Cause I mean, you guys know banks. And so it'll be great to have that expertise when we talk about what we're looking for in banks, what we're looking for when we design banks, uh, and talking about kind of that design aspect.
Skyler: Join me today. Uh, you'll probably groan when you hear his name because you've heard him so often, but we have Lee Buechelman from our CMBA Sioux city office. Lee, welcome to the show as well. Thanks Skylar.
Lee: Yeah, I think, um, thanks for having us. And I'm glad, um, the Vela team could be here today. We've been working with each other for.
Lee: Jason and I at least for about a year now trying to look at you approached us and what that looked like looking for new locations from where you're at around town. Uh, what does it look like to have a bank? And then just more recently, uh, getting introduced to Jackie and, uh, taking the design to another level.
Lee: Um, but maybe you guys could just start off and say, when this process started, Hey, we want a new bank branch or an updated branch in Sioux city. Uh, what did that mean for your guys company? And like, what were you looking for? And what were some of your major
Jason: goals? I would say one of our major goals is, uh, first and foremost, we use space.
Jason: When we started here a few years ago. What year was it when, uh, Availabank purchased? 2019. 2019. Uh, I, I started roughly a year later at, uh, with Availabank. You know, the customer base has grown, uh, we've added staff. So we, we were just outgrowing our current location. So, so finding a, finding a location where we could have the right, right size building.
Jason: So we had space for people was kind of first and foremost. And then after that, it really kind of turned into, it's a lot of the conversation turned into the customer experience. So and how, how people float through the bank and how they experienced the whole banking transaction. So
Jackie: I think adding to that, you know, one of the bank's core values or client relationships are key.
Jackie: And so as Jason indicated, as we look at our space, uh, you know, we are running out of space right now. And You know, as he said, when we started back in 2019, um, the Sioux City location for Avela Bank was a smaller location. Um, it was one of our tiniest locations and through Jason's work and John and many others in the branch, it has grown to be a very productive location for us.
Jackie: And so Avela Bank had made the decision at this point that it's time to really kind of put some investment back in the community of Sioux City. And that's really kind of where we are right now is, is trying to design a bank that will. Hopefully, um, continue to grow in the community and that we can reinvest in the Sioux City market as we continue to build.
Lee: So when you guys have, when we have stopped to kind of talk and do those visioning exercises early on in the project, what were some of the key, um, you started talking about client experience, Jason. So like, what are some of those key things for the client experience in a modern day bank? Like, what is that?
Lee: How have you seen that change? What is that? What does that look like you guys? And how do you, how do you plan for the future in that? What are, what are your guys visions?
Jason: I, I think you hit on a lot of, you know, Where our conversation has been the whole time is how do we, how do we build something for today with our current customer base and our current staffing, but also be prepared for, I guess, where we believe it's going in the future.
Jason: What does it look like 10 years from now? So we don't want to have to do a complete overhaul. Um, technology has really, it's really come more to the forefront here since COVID, you know, 5 years ago, you would have asked somebody, a lot of people to make a mobile deposit. Right. Um, stuff like that on the phone, it was, it was less heard of.
Jason: And now, you know, banks have invested in that technology through our apps, through our online banking. Um, so trying to continue to invest in that technology within the branch as well, it's balancing that, giving people options, uh, giving people avenues, but also still maintaining the, you know, the security, the privacy, everything that they expect from us.
Jason: I
Jackie: think I'd maybe add a little bit on the privacy aspect. Um, you know, being involved in the operations side of the bank for a number of years now. Um, and in some remodels, this is my first, I think, ground up bank building, but, um, in a lot of the remodels, you know, you think, oh, we're doing this right, and in any construction project, you know, you go into it and you think, we've got this, and then you're done, and you're like, ooh, we didn't quite do that right.
Jackie: Um, so I think kind of coming full circle here, kind of taking some of those, that feedback that we hear from staff and. And bringing that up with, with you and the team about privacy. And I think if you think about walking into a lot of banks today, you walk up to that general, like functional teller line that you see and you're standing right next to somebody and you're talking about some of the most confidential transactions and you are like shoulder to shoulder and what do we preach to people nowadays, but you want to keep that information confidential.
Jackie: And so what we're trying to do in the space and working with you, Lee, is to try to. How do we spread that apart so that people, while they're still in an open space, have more privacy as they're doing their banking transactions? Um, but yet it's still, um, a quick in and out if they need it to be. Um, because we all know everybody is really busy and they want, you know, that quick satisfaction, whether it's through technology or whether it's talking to somebody.
Jackie: Um, but yet that we still have spaces that, whether they need more privacy, that they're able to quickly pull them aside, um, to take them, you know, to another location if they need to be. So, it's just taking some of these experiences over time and trying to figure out the best way. But, as Jason indicated, what's best today is probably not going to be the same that's going to be even a couple years from now, but that's the nature of what we have to just be ready to, to pivot and change as we move forward.
Lee: Yeah, I think it was a, it was fun. Just a few months ago, right? We were headed down a path. And then it was, I think it just kind of dawned on leadership. It seemed like, like, Hey, this is, this is an opportunity to do something different, right? We need to think about those things, take some of that feedback that we've learned.
Lee: And we all hit the brakes, right? And we all came back as a leadership and, um, sat down around this table right here and just kind of hatch that experience out. So with that, with that experience, I mean, there's a big piece of that is some of this new technology that is out there. Like one piece that we're designing around is that ITM.
Lee: I mean, can you talk a little bit about how that banking experience, um, with just like why the need for still a building, you know, cause you talked about, um, apps and technology. So like, what is the, even the experience in the bank along with that privacy? Like what is, what is a bank Jason, you know, kind of to that point right now?
Jason: Yeah, I think. The technology obviously offers it's quick. It's convenient. It was at the end of the day banking. It's still trust. It's still a relationship. Um, there's always going to be that need for more than what you can do on an app. And so you have to have a space that's conducive where people feel comfortable, uh, where they feel their information is secure.
Jason: Yeah, the visioning session was great. Um, I think our, you know, the footprint that we laid out before that visioning session hasn't changed a whole lot. It's been the flow and that's really been the, the whole conversation has been the flow and how do we, how do we provide the best experience possible for, you know, for the customers, but also for the employees to make their job as easy as possible.
Jason: Um, so they're not moving from the teller line to an office and causing a bunch of extra work. So. That's been the whole, I guess, from my perspective, where most of the conversation has been, it's not the offices and the finishes, it's, it's the flow of how the customers and the employees are going to utilize
Lee: the space.
Lee: Yeah. It's like that. It's been that first 30 foot radius within the building. It's been all about what, what's there. How do we get there? Is it visible? Is it private? Is it, is it quiet? So yeah, it's.
Jason: Joked about there's been a lot of red X's and a lot of red X's walls moving. You still asked me to come back.
Jason: Where the walls move one foot this way and two feet, you know, and it probably, you know, maybe for you guys, it doesn't seem like a big deal. You've been through this before, but if it does, sometimes it's like, Oh, is it really that big of a deal? But. When you're making this kind of investment, you want it to, you want to work the way you want it to work.
Jason: So that's
Jackie: where the majority of the traffic's going to be. I mean, you know, on a daily basis, that's where your customers come in. And I think it's just like you hit it. It's the flow, especially for our staff. They have to be able to function. I mean, I'm not down on the front line every day, but trying to make sure that they can do their job is part of what my job is, and I think Jason wants to make sure that his team is.
Jackie: Can function. And that's what we've heard a lot of asking for feedback from them. And, Oh, I don't know if that's going to work or not. And, you know, getting some other individuals and other vendors has been part of our process too, to make sure, you know, bringing them in for insight. Um, so this is not just, it's been a collaborative effort, I think, uh, to make sure that we're getting the right people, let's make sure.
Lee: It reminds me of a story. Again, we were headed down a path with this machine, this ITM, right? And then I think it was one day, one of your, the front desk needed help. So you had to go out there to your current location. And it was like, you just saw how some of that flowed and how that worked in your current location.
Lee: It was a meeting right after that. Jason's like, yeah, this doesn't work. This has got to get farther away because it was awkward. Right. It's just even that hands on experience, taking that right back and making sure it's directly implemented in the plan.
Skyler: Yeah. It's, it's kind of cool how we do that with schools too.
Skyler: Yeah. Hi everybody. I'm still here. Um, it's kind of cool how we do that with schools too, where like we'll go to classrooms and we'll experience it and be able to see like the people that are doing the work and we can do the same thing. with a bank, getting to see how the employees are working and how, whatever the management team is doing and how that all functions and then being able to take that.
Skyler: So I, I'd actually be really curious, what other feedback have you guys gotten from the staff as far as like, I don't know, functionality concerns or, or directions that they might like want to lean into or something along those lines?
Lee: Maybe maybe a way one conversation that we've had is how do you plan for your current staff, but not overstaff plan for future.
Lee: So how do you keep visibility? You know, we've kind of been down that road. Maybe you can kind of talk about that balance a little bit of dedicated spaces and, but yet needing visibility to cover for someone that may not be there today, but maybe they're in the future. You know, there's just a lot of that kind of going on in your bank plan as well.
Jason: Yes. I mean, as we continue to grow, hopefully we continue to add staff. And so we wanted to have it. Once again, built out to continue to support that. But at the same time, um, you know, making sure that the staff we currently have has sight lines that can cover both the drive through and the front lobby and making sure that, you know, we didn't have blind spots in there where a customer could, could walk in and stand and not be greeted right away when they come in the door.
Jason: So, um, being able to, a lot of that stuff you don't think about and you see the original design plan, you're like, Oh, this looks really nice. And then when you, you lay it out for some of the staff and other people in the bank and they have different. Perceptions and viewpoints from their experiences. And it's like, well, how am I going to do this?
Jason: How, how far away, how far do I have to walk to get to the, to this machine? That's kind of what's really shaped this even counter heights. Um, you know, Hey, when we have customers that bring in large quantities of cash and needs counted and strap, the current counter sits much lower and they, you know, I really like that a lot higher.
Jason: It sits, I don't have to be bent over while I'm strapping and doing some this. Uh, more hands on work. So obviously you can't open it up and have everybody in the bank have an input. Well, we'd never get anything built if we just go in circles, but it has been good to say, Hey, here's kind of a general idea.
Jason: What are your, what are your first impressions? And the stuff that sticks out to them is stuff that I wouldn't have thought about is. How high are those counters? Cause this one back here kills my back when I have to, when I'm doing too much of this or certain things just get in the way and it's stuff from my job, my day to day, you know, I looked at that first picture and like nailed it.
Jason: We, we, we got, we got this guy. Yeah,
Skyler: that's good.
Jackie: And I think we've brought in some other people from other departments as well. So. You know, our, our retail lead, you know, understanding the customer service component and making sure that if we do walk away, the customer can still see you. So I think, you know, looking through some glass components and making sure the visibility is there is an important part of some of the conversations we've had.
Jackie: And then the sight lines, uh, from a security standpoint too, I think, you know, in banking, um, there's another aspect that we have to be aware of, um, that maybe some other, you know, businesses aren't as keen to thinking about. So. Understanding who is walking in our building, when they're walking in, where they're going, um, making sure that somebody has eye contact with them and greets them is an important part of our security protocol.
Jackie: So, um, just making sure those sight lines are available is important. Um, and then I think the use of just the space in general so that our, our staff aren't moving as much and that they don't have to get up and leave the customer. Can they do everything in their spot with the systems? Um, and hopefully that will, will help.
Jackie: Result in a faster transaction for everybody.
Lee: Even our discussions around the equipment, bank equipment, that's, that's an investment for you guys, right? So how do we, how do we keep that central where we're not buying excess and our design is forcing you to buy three cash recyclers or, you know, and centralize that as much as possible, that's been a big piece of your guys's discussion too.
Lee: Cause. It all costs money and those are not cheap machines I've learned. So,
Jackie: and they're not easy machines to fit in space. They are not. They're very awkward, quite honestly, ugly. Other design people need to do some work on those, but we'd like to hide those behind walls if we can.
Skyler: Consider this a shout out to them to like step it up and work on their design of these machines.
Skyler: So I guess jumping over to Lee, I mean, with all these considerations, I mean, from the design perspective, how are we juggling all these different of, you know, trying to make sure the staff feel comfortable and have access to things and hiding ugly machines and being secure and being safe. Uh, how, how are we juggling all that?
Skyler: And I mean, how do we do, how do we design with that in mind?
Lee: Um, I think it's our, we've been alluded to it, uh, quite a bit. That has been a very collaborative effort and a lot of it is we first put down the literal translation of basically what we've talked about. We've had those diagrams of arrows and.
Lee: Here's this site line. Here's this site line. Here's this where this machine's got to go. And then, um, we just kind of build right around it, you know, and we don't, we don't overthink it. And our diagrams will still basically directly overlap. Yes, there's a few more components. There's some translucent walls or some things like that to help with some of that privacy and that stuff.
Lee: But really, it's a, it's a direct, um, interpretation of, um, I mean, we're, yeah, we're, we're designing it. We're putting it on paper, but really, um, they're creating it, you know, we just get to kind of make it, give it shape and look.
Skyler: So you guys had mentioned kind of near the beginning, the concept of planning for the future.
Skyler: And obviously, and we've said it before on the podcast, from a design standpoint, we don't have a crystal ball, right? We can't see into the future directly and be like, well, this is going to change and this is going to change, but how are we designing the facility? And how are we kind of like forethinking?
Skyler: To, uh, prepare for the future and, and know that whatever changes might come, we can somehow adapt to.
Jason: I mean, I think first, you know, we, we want it to be a welcoming environment. We want it to be a place where customers come in and feel comfortable. We knew we're incorporating some hospitality areas, like I said, just a lot of design concepts to make it very customer friendly, one of the things I hadn't thought about as much, uh, that Lee brought to mind was, you know, Making it employee friendly as well.
Jason: Like my, my original concept was how does this flow for customers, but making it a place where people enjoy coming to work, want to come to work, you know, they're not concerned about certain things adding, you know, there's, there's a wellness room that I wouldn't have thought about. There's a, we had some space above one of the roofs on the second for kind of an outdoor patio.
Jason: And at first that's kind of a, you know, you're not sure how you feel about that, but then the more you talk people, if you have an hour for your lunch break to go sit outside on a nice day, just little amenities like that, if they're not too extravagant, but how do you. How do you incorporate little things like that, that make it just a more enjoyable place to work and, you know, whether it's retaining quality employees or attracting new employees, having those, those sorts of amenities, you know, stuff I hadn't thought about going into the process.
Jackie: I think the, the biggest, you know, you can't predict the future. And I think as we sit here in banking, I think there's a lot of questions about what does banking look like, you know, everything is going the technology route. And I think there's that question of. You know, how much cash will we use or will checks disappear?
Jackie: And so I think the biggest question is, is probably, you know, those standard teller lines that, you know, we may or may not have, we have a different setup for that. Um, what will those look like down the road? You know, if, if we're not doing those typical teller transactions, you know, That's good for us because that's not the typical setup that we have.
Jackie: So I think we're set up in a way that we can adjust a little bit easier because we have more of what I'd call a pop, like not a pod, but for better term, um, that with office space, because I think the key going forward is, is that no matter where banking goes, the relationship with the customer and the conversation is always going to be needed at some point in either the personal relationship or a business relationship.
Jackie: So the environment, the welcoming environment, the hospitality, those types of things are going to be needed, um, no matter what happens on the technology side. So I hope that we're set up for the future pretty well, that we've got those spaces and that those frontline spaces that we've created, we'll still be able to be used for those kinds of sit down consultations, whether or not we have cash or checks or those types of.
Jackie: transactional things that may just happen on your phone going forward. And who knows, we could be way off. We could switch to cash who, you know, the time will tell. But, um, I feel like we're thinking about that in this and we're at least taking that into account and in what we are talking about in our conversations.
Jackie: I
Lee: think the other thing we talked early on was how big does one location get? Right. Or do you try to Expand your offerings to locations in town rather, right? So we've also thought about what does that, that piece look like? You know, just kind of thinking back to how this, what site do we choose? Um, that all plays into that too, because it's, yeah, as you guys said, we don't want to become this one massive center, you know, we, we need to be able to service the whole community back then, you know, so sizing the bank correctly, um, for growth has been a big piece too.
Jackie: And you think about what the expectations of people are, you know, we've done a lot of our meetings via teams or video. And I think COVID changed that for the better. Um, you can do a lot of business and have a lot of really good conversations via video. And so what will the expectation be? Can you have client relationships where they maybe don't expect to come to the bank, but does the technology work that way where we have more in depth conversations?
Jackie: So maybe you don't need as many physical locations either, but they can do it from their home and meet with you that way. So that's where I think, you Time will tell on what the customer wants, I think is what we have to be able to meet. Um, what, where they want to be met. Yeah.
Lee: Cause right now, what does avail all do just talk a little bit?
Lee: What did you guys all do in your bank right now? Like what are all the things you offer and people are coming
Jason: for? Yeah. The, the typical, obviously cash and checks, depositing checks, giving cash, you know, in our location, we have a, one of our mortgage reps, uh, Terry Mulder works there. So people are coming into that.
Jason: We do anything from small business lending to large commercial lending, agricultural lending, you know, we have treasury services, the treasury management services. Um, so how, how, how our business customers are moving cash to and from their, you know, their vendors and their customers. So we do a lot of that stuff.
Jason: Um, you know, and I guess the avenues one, obviously through their computers, through their apps. Uh, we do have the ITM in the branch as well as we have one outside. I think the setup will be the same, but the new branch is having one outside, which allows, if there does get to be a line, it allows people a second avenue to go, well, hey, I can still talk to somebody.
Jason: It's not just me trying to figure out which buttons to hit. I can have a conversation and be directed. It just may be a universal banker that's in a remote location, but can they still assist and get it done in a timely manner? So, yeah. So just right there, I mean, just
Lee: the, the wide range of people that come in and out of your bank, right.
Lee: And being universal to all of that. And those that wanted to stay in the car and go through a drive up, you're going to get a drive up in this one, right? So that'll be huge for you guys. And then, yeah, all the way from all the loan lending to just typical foot traffic. I mean, it's all there, you know, all spectrums.
Lee: So. Yeah. Being able to design for that and figuring out what that balance even is.
Skyler: Now, just to clarify, I keep hearing ITM, correct? Not ATM. Just, just so I'm aware. All right. What are we talking about? Wait, just for Skylar, who's in the marketing department and hasn't seen a lot from this project just yet.
Skyler: What are we talking about when we say ITM?
Jackie: So an ITM is really an interactive teller machine. Um, so what happens is, is when you pull up to these, uh, you can tap the screen and think of it as a FaceTime. It's really what it is. So when you tap the screen, um, a teller pops up, just like, and it's just like you're having a video conversation on Teams, or FaceTime, is all it is.
Jackie: So you're just sitting there, they're helping you with your transaction, uh, you can deposit a check, you can cash a check, um, these machines will actually kick out coin as well, so if you want to cash a check to the penny, you can do that. Um, you can deposit, you can transfer funds. They can help you make a loan payment.
Jackie: Um, almost everything that you can do in your typical walk in branch, um, they can't kick out like cashier's checks, those types of things. There's some limitations. Um, but if you need to do a quick transaction, uh, you can pull up to one and do that, um, talking to somebody. Yeah. Um, just, just through that.
Jackie: And then we offer extended hours for that. So seven to seven. And then eight to 12 on Saturdays. So it allows us to serve all of our communities through a centralized location. So we have, uh, usually two or three remote individuals that can serve as our ITM machines throughout the entire state.
Skyler: And they work remote.
Jackie: Some of them work remotely. Some of them work in our Johnston office. Uh, some of them work throughout. Um, we actually have a lot of, uh, we've had a lot of college students that they like to work the four to seven shift. Sure. So it's been a great, it's a hard shift to fill, but it's been a great way to do that.
Jackie: We've actually had a couple of students that have taken on full-time roles with the bank. That's awesome. Which is a great recruiting source for us. Yeah. So it's a good way to get 'em introduced and then on full time. That's cool. So it's just a little different approach, but Yeah. Um, it's a way to serve people outside of normal banking hours.
Jackie: And allows our staff to, um, work, you know, the standard eight to five. Yeah.
Skyler: And I think that goes back to exactly what you guys have been talking about, about customer relationship and having positive customer relationship. We have a resource that's available at more hours than a lot of banks offer, and that's pretty awesome.
Skyler: That's pretty useful. And like you said, you can get
Jason: coin,
Skyler: uh, from the, the machine, which is cool. I think that's probably one of the most frustrating things about going to the ATM is like, Oh, here's if it's not in twenties, we can't do it. We do have other denominations in our ITM bill for something. Come on.
Jackie: We can do that at the ITM. That's awesome.
Skyler: That's so cool. That's so cool. Well, is there anything that I haven't touched on that? Cause I know you guys had some notes and stuff that you had kind of discussed. What brands are anything I missed so far? Cause I don't want to. You guys are phenomenal guests.
Skyler: You guys have given us so much awesome information. I don't want to miss any of it.
Lee: Has the design process been what you expected it to be? Or did you just think it was gonna be a lot simpler than I thought it'd be way simpler.
Skyler: Lee does have a tendency to make things very complicated.
Jason: There's just a lot of stuff that as somebody that's not in the construction business, or you just don't even think twice about, I mean, We've had conversations about how the building lays on the lot, you know,
Lee: multiple conversations if
Jason: we move it 10 feet forward.
Jason: Here's what happens if we move it 10 feet back. Here's what happens in 10 feet. Doesn't seem like that big of a deal, but it changes things drastically. Do we want it facing east and west or slightly tilted to follow the, you know, the curve of the road? How, you know, and what impact that has like, there's just.
Jason: There's been a lot of stuff that I just didn't anticipate
Skyler: having
Lee: conversations about. I think I have warned Jason about. Hey, you maybe don't need to sit in on the technology discussion or, you know, with your security, he's like, Oh, I'll sit here. I'll sit here. And then we started and he's like, I don't need to be here.
Lee: It's like, this is a whole other level. That HVAC one.
Jackie: The HVAC one was a little bit, I appreciate the description. It's always, you know, some of those things, that's where we rely on the expertise to help us through the process. But. It is a lot up front, I think, just trying to get ready for the bid process.
Jackie: I think that's been a little bit going from a full building. I mean, when you go through like remodels and things there, you can kind of do it as you go. And I think the difference with the building is trying to make. All these decisions and I, I don't think I was as prepared for saying, okay, I have to get in touch with all these vendors up front to say, this is exactly what we need for this, this, and this so early in the process, that would be the thing that I'd maybe say is like to prep anybody who's thinking about this is just be prepared to get in touch with some of them and know A little bit more, you know who to talk to.
Jackie: Yep. Um, ahead of time. Um, I mean, we're working our way through all of it. It's, that's just part of the process. It's it's going great. Yeah. Yeah. It's just maybe not what I, first imagined little more kind of like you a little more hands on than you thought right upfront. Yeah. A little bit more hands on upfront.
Jackie: And I was expecting all the hands-on a little bit later. I knew it would be hands-on with these things. It's just the timing of when. Yep. Right. We're getting it done now instead of a couple of months from now. It's all good. It's all good.
Skyler: Yeah.
Lee: Uh, so as we said, there's like, sometimes we have a lot of on online meetings and a lot of questions get asked and I see you just sit in the room here with Jason and he just kind of looks at me with some of them.
Lee: I'm like, we're good. We'll take care of you. Don't worry about it. We got you.
Skyler: Thank you both seriously for, for taking the time to come down here, Jackie. I know you traveled a bit to, to come to Sioux city and everything. So really appreciate that. Jason, of course. Thank you for stopping by. Um, and sharing your guys expertise and your experience with this whole project, because I know I'm excited.
Skyler: I've seen a couple of the drawings and such. Um, so I'm really excited to be able to go take pictures of it. That's what I do once it's all completed because I think it's gonna look amazing. So thank you both seriously for for coming down
Jackie: Yeah,
Skyler: and of course lee. Thank you for for joining as well once again, so And for those of you listening, thank you as well for checking out another episode of the laying the foundation podcast We'll see you guys next time If you'd like to find out more about the Laying the Foundation podcast, you can head over to any podcast streaming platform such as Spotify, iTunes, Google Podcasts, and others.
Skyler: You can also find out more about CMBA Architects through social media such as Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, and Instagram. Additionally, you can head over to the CMBA website at cmbaarchitects. com. If you're an architecture or design professional or an intern looking for an internship within those fields, please be sure to check out our website and click on the careers tab to find out more about what opportunities we offer.
Skyler: This has been another episode of the laying the foundation podcast. We'll see you next time.
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December 23, 2024